Judge Conley pardoned by Big Ern…

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Well, never let it be said that it’s more about what you’ve done than who you know.  Apparently, being a "friend"…(aka, Republican)…of outgoing (and now GONE) Kentucky Governor Ernie "Hey, they did it, too!" Fletcher can have its benefits.  If you’ve been a supporter of Fletcher over the years, and you need a little help, he can make it happen.

Now don’t misunderstand.  It isn’t like Fletcher is the first Governor to play these cards…granting pardons and placing friends in high-ranking positions right before leaving office.  I guess it just smells a little worse this time, considering all of the hot water he’s been in during his term in office.

Fletcher appointed more than 120 people, including former aides and political supporters, to various boards and commissions on Monday, December 10…a day before leaving office.  Most of these positions carry terms that last a few years.

http://www.kentucky.com/329/story/255376.html

The Governor also pardoned or commuted the sentences of over 100 individuals.  Amongst those receiving a pardon (http://www.kentucky.com/601/story/255431.html) was Morgan County’s Judge Executive, Tim Conley.  Conley was pardoned for a crime that he claims to have never even committed,

In an article on the Herald-Leader web site, Judge Conley said:

"As you know they will again attempt to load a grand jury and attempt to indict me."

This was written by Conley in his pardon request to Fletcher, sent on December the 3.

The article continues:

One person pardoned by Fletcher hasn’t even been convicted of a crime.

Morgan County Judge-Executive Timothy Conley, a two-term incumbent who is the first Republican to be elected judge-executive in Morgan County in decades, was indicted in May on three counts of abuse of public trust. The indictments were dismissed on a technicality, but special prosecutor Brent Turner has pledged to renew the charges.

http://www.kentucky.com/454/story/255429.html

 

In a separate article detailing Governor Fletcher’s pardons, Judge Conley was also mentioned:

Fletcher also pardoned Morgan County Judge-Executive Timothy Conley, a Republican who has given more than $1,500 to Fletcher’s campaigns over the years. Conley was indicted in May on three counts of abuse of public trust, but the charges were later dismissed. Conley declined to comment on the pardon.

http://www.kentucky.com/news/state/story/256485.html

 

Again, I’m not saying Judge Conley did anything wrong or inappropriate by requesting the pardon…around 1000 people wrote to Fletcher requesting one.  I was more put off about the comment of there being possible attempts at "loading a grand jury" in order to indict the judge.  Just who is loading this grand jury exactly?

For that matter, Judge Conley may be completely innocent of the charges that were brought against him in the first place.  It does seem a little bit strange, however, to request to be pardoned from something which you claim to be innocent of, even going so far as to throw a community fish fry as a declaration of victory and innocence, even though the case had never gone to trial, all the while knowing the case hadn’t actually been dismissed and could be brought before a grand jury again. 

Truth be told, I’d say there was probably a fairly good chance this issue would have never gone to trial again, but one never knows.  So, I guess it is better to be safe than sorry…even if you are innocent.

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  • loaded man

    What really happen was Conley was in Frankfort one day and bumped in to Flecher on the street and said Pardon me sir. Well Flecher just thought hell he wants a pardon too. What one more.

  • loaded man

    Oh by the way Conley was in Frankfort to get money for that parking gargage, ice rink, counthouse, dog kennel, drug rehap center, football field, ect he’s going to build someday.

  • http://www.nowebsightvisable.info TechKnomen

    The worst thang fletcher did was try to get away with stuff only demoncrats should, dang carpetbaggers SECESSION IS NOT REBELLION YYYYYYYEEEEHHHHHHHAW !

    “KENTUCKY SHALL BE FREE !” ?

  • http://rowanreview.com dhunley

    What’s funny is that you guys can get yourself all in a tizzy for something that a governor has a legal right to do; yet you duck and dodge and make excuses whenever the candidates YOU support out and out lie. Doesn’t that make you feel just the least bit funny?

    Oh I know that you guys tend to think that the ends justify the means (and that people are stupid and mean and so that justifies the lies) but Jiminey Crickets, you guys…doesn’t a little quiver of conscious run through you?

    You guys have been so wrong for so long it must just about feel right.

    You’re wrong on social security.

    You’re wrong on “Global Warming”.

    You’re wrong on taxes.

    You’re wrong on evolution.

    And the biggie…wrong on abortion.

    I mean…come on…you guys are supposed to be soooooo smart…let’s here you logically defend ANY of these. If you can…then we’ll hear the little snivels about pardons and junk.

  • http://rowanreview.com dhunley

    And here’s some other things you’ve been wrong about.

    Valerie Plame.

    The war in Iraq.

    Multicultural pluralism.

    Affirmative action.

    National Health Care.

    Look guys…the ONLY way you guys are going to get into power is by buying votes with promises of hair-brained, unconstitutional social give-a-ways. Trouble is…if you do get into power this way, it’ll never work, you’ll bring misery on millions of people—and then go on a witch hunt to find someone to blame. It happens every time!

    Look at Stalin…look at Mao Zedong…look at Pol Pot. This is the kind of society you want to bring about? Socialism? Communism?

    It seems most modern liberals are “educated” (they seem to spend most of their lives on college campuses anyway :)…so why can’t they see this? My fear is that they DO see this and don’t care.

  • admin

    dhunley, i do not know where you get your information from. it must be comforting for you that in order to believe something, all you have to do is convince YOURSELF that you are right. lol

    listen, i don’t consider myself to really be a liberal or a conservative…i think i’m more just a realist. i take a look at everything and then make a decision. i don’t say someone or something is right or wrong just because someone else tells me it is.

    the government may tell me that what we’re doing in Iraq is good, and was justified…i’ve seen evidence to the contrary, so i do not agree. does that make me liberal? or wrong?

    the church tells me that God created the earth and man and that evolution is wrong. i’ve looked at the evidence on evolution, and i disagree. however, i’ve even gone so far as to say that i don’t think churches are WRONG…just that they don’t give you the complete picture. evolution is a FACT, but that doesn’t mean that it excludes God…in fact, i think it goes hand in hand WITH the creation story.

    same with global warming. there is no question the earth is warming…so, YOU are absolutely wrong on this one. the earth IS getting warmer. all that is left for debate at this point is how much we are contributing to that warming. to me, whether we are or whether we are not is almost irrelevant at this point…the larger issue is that we need to be doing more to find alternative energy sources, because our dependence on fossil fuels is just absurd…from a scientific and technological standpoint, it just makes no sense anymore.

    i think YOUR tactic is to just continue to be stubborn and to avoid being reasonable to the point that people get too frustrated to even discuss it with you, at which point you claim victory.

    what is right, and what is wrong, really comes down to opinion on many of these issues. i can see reasons for national health care, a national sales tax, and affirmative action…does that make YOU wrong?? you see reasons AGAINST my views…does that make ME wrong? absolutely not. it just means we don’t agree.

    the same goes with moral issues, like abortion or recreational drug use or where you stand on issues like nudity and obscenity on TV and radio….who is right or wrong? it is all an opinion…you can back yours up, but i can back mine up, just as strongly.

    there are some things however which just are what they are. bush and cheney have lied about valerie plame…even their former press secretary has admitted as much now. they lied about weapons of mass destruction in Iraq…they lied about Iran’s nuclear capabilities, almost to the point of drawing us into another foreign battlefield.

    now, you may claim that they didn’t “lie”…well, i will offer that if it was NOT a lie, the only other alternative is that they are absolute idiots who should not be running this country. so you take your pick.

    as for what the governor did, i acknowledged RIGHT IN MY POST that it wasn’t like Fletcher was doing anything that governors before him haven’t done…my point was more that it paints his administration in a little bit dingier a color, considering all of the scandals and mess he’s gone through since being elected.

    so see, i DO care…and i don’t mind sharing my views with you.

    and you can be stubborn and continue to try and intimidate those who don’t agree with you to the point where they just won’t argue anymore, and then you can claim “victory”, but i think we all know you haven’t really won anything, don’t we? 🙂

  • http://morganminute.com Concerned Citizen

    It seems funny to me that when the previous grand jury sat and heard all the evidence, every single grand juror returned a “yes” vote to indict Tim Conley. Tim Conley can not lie as he always does when it is in black and white. He reminds of the little boy with cookie crumbs on his mouth and says “no mom, I didn’t get in the cookie jar”. One thing that the people of Morgan Co. will have to do is overcome ignorance and lies. Tim Conley is a bully and a control freak and I do not like either of those types.
    Why would you ask for a pardon if you know that you are innocent and the evidence would be on your side. I guess he knew that the evidence would definitely convict him. That is the ONLY reason I can figure out he would ask for a pardon.
    I am really concerned about the future of Morgan County. We are so much in debt from Judge Conley borrowing money and will never be able to pay it back. That is why he keeps trying to slip the occupational tax vote in. The citizens of Morgan Co. should not have to pay for Conley’s spending habits.

  • granny

    well citizens of morgan county tim conley is a great man all charges dropped if people clean up there own messes they have a better world to live in we are not soppose go round flopping out touges if i have something to say or talk about i keep it in my heart and let god lead me to do whats right and wrong we should open our ears and eyes and look around

  • http://rowanreview.com Dhunley

    So you’ve decided what is right, have you? That’s what you’re implying, you know? This is NOT to meant to be an insult or a put down.

    One of the toughest things to get across to someone one your side of the isle (other than the fact that I DON’T want people to starve and children to die…lol) is that I, too, have the ability to “look at everything and then make a decision”—and so does everyone else. It is not an ability that is “owned” by people on your side of the isle.

    So if you want to imply (if that’s what you’re doing) that people who think as I do are simply being spoon-fed stuff and are mindless ditto-heads or whatever, you should first dispute the facts presented. Shouldn’t you?

    For instance…is it or is it not a fact that dramatic climate change has occurred hundreds of times in the past? And have they or have they not occurred rapidly? I’ve shown you examples of it like the Younger-Dryas event.

    http://www.ace.mmu.ac.uk/resources/gcc/5-3-2-1.html

    And evidence that they have ALWAYS occurred.

    http://books.nap.edu/openbook.php?record_id=10136&page=153

    So, have you looked at everything…and STILL believe that mankind is responsible for any current climate change?

    Now if you want to modify the argument to something like “we shouldn’t be using fossil fuels”…well, that’s your opinion, isn’t it? Why is it absurd? What if I offered the opinion that the increase in the cost of fossil fuels will actually bring about alternative sources through the forces of individual choice and free-markets? After all, those forces are what made fossil fuels valuable in the first place, right?

    And there are other facts you need to dispute before you can dismiss the fact that I, too, can look at everything and then make a decision.

    You say you’ve looked at the evidence on evolution and you think it is correct? Okay, what evidence have you seen that leads you to believe in evolution?

    Have you seen it occur? And please don’t start explaining to me again about the concept of the vastness of time like I’m a school kid. I’ve already addressed the flaw in that logic…but will again if necessary.

    Can you repeat it in a lab? Despite thousands and thousands of generations being subjected to every kind of stress and shuffling we can think of…in the end, we still have fruit flies, don’t we?

    Is there any way it can be falsified? What argument can a person present that would prove to you that it is wrong? When everything single trait of every living thing is immediately subscribed to “evolution” when NARY A STEP in that development can be explained?

    So, exactly what evidence have you seen? It is interesting to read Ian Johnston’s “Short Proof of Evolution” and hear him say

    “That scientific certainty makes the widespread rejection of evolution in our modern age something of a puzzle (but that’s a subject for another essay). In a modern liberal democracy, of course, one is perfectly free to reject that conclusion, but one is not legitimately able to claim that such a rejection is a reasonable scientific stance.”

    Now PLEASE, Dave, read this (it’s short) and tell me what are the logical errors in this argument?

    http://www.mala.bc.ca/~johnstoi/essays/courtenay1.html

  • admin

    see, THIS reply Dhunley, that you just left above, is why it is frustrating to even try to discuss these things.

    i didn’t say i was right…i didn’t imply i was right…i said that many of the things you want to argue and debate about do not have a right answer or a wrong answer. they are matters of opinion, and you have yours, and i have mine.

    i never said anything about people who think like you are being spoon-fed or are ditto heads. i don’t even see how you can get that from my response. if anything, my point was to say that i don’t buy into one philosophy or another…i just try to deal in common sense. i didn’t state or even IMPLY that you did NOT do the same. my point was that YOUR tactic (and this was addressed solely to you…) seems to be to try and beat an issue to death in order to just make people stop talking to you about it, at which point you declare your “victory”.

    if you’ll re-read my reply, i stated that even though it is an absolute FACT that the earth is warming, it can still be debated what the cause of that warming is, didn’t I??

    as far as being good stewards on this planet, that just seems like a no-brainer to me. i mean, i may not have liked it when my parents made me clean up my room as a kid, and i might not have agreed with it, but it was better than just continuing to let me pile up my mess until i couldn’t even walk around in it anymore, wasn’t it??

    so why not apply the same philosophy here…even if we are NOT causing the earth to warm, shouldn’t we at least be concerned about the planet? are you also going to say that air and water pollution and the associated health problems they cause are just liberal lies, too??

    as for fossil fuels, it just makes no sense to me for us to continue to depend on something that not only has a finite supply. Additionally, the majority of what DOES exist isn’t even located where it is easily accessible by us. i just don’t see the reasoning of continuing to depend on them, even though i understand your argument about how their increasing price may spur alternative fuel discussion.

    and i’m not even going down the road of discussing evolution with you again. i feel there is enough evidence to without question say that it is real…you don’t agree…and frankly, that is fine with me. i don’t need everyone to agree with me. i’ve told you what i believe, and i reckon that’ll just have to do for now.

    as for that link, it seemed to be broken, so i wasn’t able to read it.

  • http://rowanreview.com Dhunley

    You think you’re frustrated?…lol In a heart beat, you’ll say that many of the things we debate don’t have a “right or wrong” answer—yet I’m forced to accept someone else’s opinion as LAW.

    I’m not out to aggravate you…or frustrate you. All I want from you and people on your isle is to let me live my life as I want to live it!! GOOD GRACIOUS…that mantra is right out of the 60’s for crying out loud.

    I know social security to be a governmental monstrosity (and it’s my opinion, too, if that makes it easier…lol)—but am I allowed to opt out of it? Ooooooooooh Noooooooooooooo. It’s someone’s opinion somewhere that I have to do something I totally disagree with. Is that something you’re fine with?

    And speaking of something you’re fine with. You say you’re perfectly fine with someone disagreeing with the theory of evolution. Well, fine then, let that disagreement be allowed into our schools. Let’s allow the weaknesses of evolution to be honestly discussed.

    In fact, speaking of schools. Why am I forced to send my children to a school someone ELSE chooses.

    Dave, these are the things I’m talking about—and these are the things that I’m resisting. Having someone ELSE decide for us what is right and what is wrong; especially from people who readily admit that to many things, there ARE NO right or wrong answers.

    Yet every time I turn around, I’m facing some government edict trying to tell me where to live, what to eat, and what to drive, where to send my kids to school, what to do with my money, my property, my animals—-by people who have an OPINION that differs from mine.

    It even gets so crazy that the “equal rights” and “civil rights” that people like me fought so hard for as been turned upside down!!

    What’s “equal rights” about affirmative action? Yet it’s someone’s opinion that this should be ignored in order to level some fictional playing field.

    What’s “civil rights” about hate crimes? Does it matter to the person being injured what color their skin is? Doesn’t it hurt just as much? Yet it’s someone’s opinion that because a person should “think” a certain way, they should be penalized more (or less) than a person committing an equal crime.

    About global warming/house keeping/etc. Fine…but show me how the Kyoto Protocol would make one whit of difference except to extort money out of the U.S. That’s it…that’s all they want. And why do Al Gore and kin have to resort to exaggeration and distortion if what they say is valid?

    Especially when we know in the end the climate will change no matter WHAT we do. Isn’t it better we be truthful about it all…and continue (and encourage other countries too) to do what helps people overcome natural adversity—and that’s wealth building.

    And what you call “try and beat an issue to death” is, in fact, trying to hold these people to the facts!!! What they want us to do is to accept a whole bunch of garbage (and faulty, illogical arguments) so that their “opinions” will be accepted.

    And by the way, that is what they ALWAYS say about evolution. That there is just soooooooooo much evidence to support it—-but they never provide it, do they? Not one occurrence…not one mechanism identified…not even one little increase in complexity.

  • http://rowanreview.com Dhunley

    You think you’re frustrated?…lol In a heart beat, you’ll say that many of the things we debate don’t have a “right or wrong” answer—yet I’m forced to accept someone else’s opinion as LAW.

    I’m not out to aggravate you…or frustrate you. All I want from you and people on your side of the isle is to let me live my life as I want to live it!! GOOD GRACIOUS…that mantra is right out of the 60’s for crying out loud.

    I know social security to be a governmental monstrosity (and it’s my opinion, too, if that makes it easier…lol)—but am I allowed to opt out of it? Ooooooooooh Noooooooooooooo. It’s someone’s opinion somewhere that I have to do something I totally disagree with. Is that something you’re fine with?

    And speaking of something you’re fine with. You say you’re perfectly fine with someone disagreeing with the theory of evolution. Well, fine then, let that disagreement be allowed into our schools. Let’s allow the weaknesses of evolution to be honestly discussed.

    In fact, speaking of schools. Why am I forced to send my children to a school someone ELSE chooses.

    Dave, these are the things I’m talking about—and these are the things that I’m resisting. Having someone ELSE decide for us what is right and what is wrong; especially from people who readily admit that to many things, there ARE NO right or wrong answers.

    Yet every time I turn around, I’m facing some government edict trying to tell me where to live, what to eat, and what to drive, where to send my kids to school, what to do with my money, my property, my animals—-by people who have an OPINION that differs from mine.

    It even gets so crazy that the “equal rights” and “civil rights” that people like me fought so hard for as been turned upside down!!

    What’s “equal rights” about affirmative action? Yet it’s someone’s opinion that this should be ignored in order to level some fictional playing field.

    What’s “civil rights” about hate crimes? Does it matter to the person being injured what color their skin is? Doesn’t it hurt just as much? Yet it’s someone’s opinion that because a person should “think” a certain way, they should be penalized more (or less) than a person committing an equal crime.

    About global warming/house keeping/etc. Fine…but show me how the Kyoto Protocol would make one whit of difference except to extort money out of the U.S. That’s it…that’s all they want. And why do Al Gore and kin have to resort to exaggeration and distortion if what they say is valid?

    Especially when we know in the end the climate will change no matter WHAT we do. Isn’t it better we be truthful about it all…and continue (and encourage other countries too) to do what helps people overcome natural adversity—and that’s wealth building.

    And what you call “try and beat an issue to death” is, in fact, trying to hold these people to the facts!!! What they want us to do is to accept a whole bunch of garbage (and faulty, illogical arguments) so that their “opinions” will be accepted.

    And by the way, that is what they ALWAYS say about evolution. That there is just soooooooooo much evidence to support it—-but they never provide it, do they? Not one occurrence…not one mechanism identified…not even one little increase in complexity.

    Oh…and by the way. I, personally, know that you don’t intend to sound condescending—but…well…heck you sound condescending when you start talking about children keeping up their rooms. It makes you sound like you think people don’t have enough sense to take care of their things; that no one else but a “modern liberal” cares about the environment.

    But, truthfully, Dave…(and NOT you explicitly) I might be hyper sensitive to that because I’ve been told by people who are—well, lets just say they’re “in the vicinity” of your postion that people are no more than swine…that people are stupid…that my son has no more rights than a monkey…that people can’t be trusted to make wise decisions.

    To those people, I just say LEAVE US ALONE!!!

  • admin

    Dhunley, i think that is a big part of our problems in these discussions is that you ARE being hypersensitive to what is being said. by using an example of children cleaning their rooms, i am simply trying to explain a situation where we were made to clean up our messes, for our own good, even if we didn’t fully agree or understand why…but you saw that as condescending.

    and that happens fairly often. you take what i’m saying and add new meanings to it, making it seem like i’m just pure evil or something, when in fact, i’m just having a discussion.

    let’s get this out in the open right now, and maybe we can avoid any future misunderstandings. if i’m trying to say something, i will just come out and say it. i won’t try to be cute-sy or snide about it…i hate cute-sy and snide. i have no hidden agendas. i really am a “what you see is what you get” kind of guy.

    see, instead of you hearing “we should clean up this planet, because it is where we live and it is our responsibility”…you hear “the conservatives are too dumb and evil to have the good sense enough to clean up the planet, so they need to be MADE to clean it up!!”

    that is simply NOT what i’m saying. there are no hidden layers.

    as for “my position”, let me say again…i don’t know that i HAVE a position. i just state my beliefs…some of which are conservative, some liberal, some progressive, some just plain nutty…but i stand behind every one of them, no matter which side they line up on.

  • http://rowanreview.com David Hunley

    For “our own good” according to WHO?

    MAN! It must be a difficult mindset to shake…the idea that someone somewhere should make us clean up our mess. I think it is so ingrained that you don’t even recognize it—yet.

    I’ll simply ask “WHO do you think should make us clean up our own mess?” And according to what standard of “mess”? And how do they intend to make us clean up our mess?

    The bottom line is that you’re intent on imposing your idea of “mess” and “standards” by force of law onto the rest of us?

    I wonder if anyone else has noticed that you haven’t addressed a single issue I put forth with facts or logic.

    And by the way…here’s another little interesting read. For someone who wants to consider the evidence and make up their own minds. And this is only the beginning. Just like every other “issue” the modern liberals are touting…their idea of “global warming” and their solution to it falls apart under scrutiny.

    http://www.newsbusters.org/blogs/noel-sheppard/2007/09/09/reports-record-arctic-ice-melt-disgracefully-ignore-history

  • admin

    actually, i wonder if anyone else noticed how many times i’ve said that i’m tired of going around and around with you over issues that we obviously don’t, and will never, agree on?

    i’m tired of giving you facts and logic…you simply choose to ignore it anyway, so why keep bashing my head in about it?

    besides…i’m sure we’ve got more pressing issues on a local level to deal with, don’t we?

  • http://rowanreview.com David Hunley

    Maybe you could…huh…cut and paste some of the facts and logic, eh? No need to re-type them or anything, is there? Since, I mean…you’ve given me soooooooooo many.

    Dave, it’s the same thing every single time. Let me use Paula here as an example.

    On the way to making the claim (what was the claim again—bring out the fools who don’t believe in “global warming”) she threw in a bunch of junk like—

    You know capitalism is a problem.

    You know the world is over-populated.

    You know the people living in cities are miserable.

    AND bring out the fools who don’t believe in global warming.

    I challenged her on capitalism.

    I challenger her about the world being over-populated.

    AND I brought out a few fools to discredit her over-populated junk.

    What’d she do? Instead of addressing my points, she claimed that I was “dodging the point”.

    And people who are touting evolution always just say “there’s TONS of evidence”…but when you look at that “TONS of evidence”…all you see is an adaption of species WITHIN species.

    When you point this out, they just say something like “I’m tired of giving you facts and logic!”

    I’d like nothing more than to stop going around and around on issues; trouble is, if we stop…idiotic policies will be implemented and we’ll be under the thumb of some government. We’ll be in a marxist state, or a socialist state and we’ll all be peons to some Stalin dictator.

    Now…just for the sake of avoiding tyranny and bondage…couldn’t you just locate, clip, and paste at least SOME of your evidence for evolution?

    Eh?

    Anyway….MERRY CHRISTMAS!!

  • http://rowanreview.com dhunley

    Your guys ARE the “big brother”, Dave…but I’m sure there’s still time for you to see.

    Dave, I know you care about people…I know you want what’s best—so it is imperative that you understand something; the people you are supporting are the ones who will install the “big brother” government we’ve heard about all our lives.

    Now bear with me and please consider what I’m saying.

    Are the people you’re supporting…those so-called democrats…are they TRULY for equal rights?

    Do they TRULY support the constitution that says all men are created equal and endowed with certain inalienable rights? Such as life, liberty, and the pursuit of happiness?

    Dave, these ideas of “multicultural plurism”…of affirmative action…and the idea that someone somewhere “owes” somebody something because they’re rich, or privileged or something—they’re all just schemes to divide us and get us to agree to let the government take something from these people—with the promise that it will be given to US.

    But this leads to the idea that people are a “burden” and must be controlled…and soon, only certain kinds of people will be allowed to exist.

    Use that logical, scientific mind of yours and think it through; where has these ideas put people every where they’ve been tried? In poverty, in prisons, and under the thumb of some Stalin.

    Dave, I don’t presume to know a person’s heart—but by their fruits, they will be known. And the fruits of this bunch of Marxists and socialists calling themselves “democrats” are fruits well known…and they are most bitter.

    There is a reason that Jesus told us to, above all, love each other.

  • Paula

    dhunley, wow, merry Christmas to you. it’s been so long since i’ve stopped by the morgan minute and here’s my old friend takin’ it to the streets with Dear Old Dave the admin. On all the same topics, denying the logic and evidence in front of him. And now if we don’t heed and obey the Dhunley view, we’ve become “Marxists and socialists”! If that don’t beat all. Apparently it didn’t, we must be Stalinists too, or was it Multicultural Pluralists, or … or what? I just don’t know.

    As ever, you’ve managed to throw the holiday fruitcakes of your namecalling in with the regifted vegomatics of your ideologies and instead of taking the whole bunch off to the trash heap (sorry, the “sanitary landfill” since us multicultural pluralists insist on legislating away the right for decent honest godfearing souls to actually throw something in the trash heap), you take that whole bag-o-nonsense and drop it off here, to taunt poor Dave again and again, even posting twice in a row as if you can’t wait for him to take off from his holidays and joust with you yet again.

    Peace I wish you, Dhunley, on this holiday evening. Peace. In your heart, the peace that will allow you to bestow upon others the freedom that you so fervently espouse for yourself. I continue to wish you the freedom to speak your mind, as I will partake personally in the freedom to speak mine, and to turn down the volume as I try to read yours. I value freedom highly myself, so highly that I can only feel free when others around me are free to make choices that I don’t like. I pay taxes freely, because I know that some of my important freedoms come from having a strong and decent government. I don’t agree with all the things that money will be spent on, but I will pay, and then I will vote, because I want to help shape that government so that it remains as decent as it can be. But mostly I care about being free to make my own decisions, and live by the consequences of them. I’ve hurt people doing this, choosing for freedom, for life, for happiness and my pursuit of it. But I’ve found more peace in my heart by choosing personally happiness than I ever found following blindly an oath or commitment I made at a time when I didn’t know all the facts.

    What’s this have to do with the price of beans? With the topic at hand? I’ve no idea. I don’t know the facts of this case, but I’ll say Good Luck to Judge Conley, and good luck to Morgan Countians in the New Year just around the corner. I myself have recently moved out of state, but I have fond feelings for Morgan County and many who live there. Bless you all, in whatever form blessings come for you. Cherish your freedoms, and support those who will fight to preserve them for you.

    Peace to you all (and especially you Dhunley),
    Paula

  • http://rowanreview.com dhunley

    Instead of attacking me…why don’t you defend your views? That’s what reasonable people do, isn’t it?

    Try telling us why you think there should only be about 750 million—out of 6 billion—people in the world, eh? Tell us why you think capitalism is such a great evil. Tell us why living in cities is so bad when people still choose to live in them instead of out in the country side?

    And, please, tell us again to “trot out the fools” who don’t believe in “global warming”.

    Only in the twisted logic of a modern liberal could you construe anything I’ve said to indicate I want to force YOU to do anything. Quite the contrary…it is you and people like you who will force me to send my children to a school I may not want; it is you and people like you who will try to decide what kind of house I will build on my own land; and it is you and people like you who will force me to continue paying into a system that is broken (and would be illegal if an individual tried to do it).

    Of course, I’m sure you’ll perceive this as a personal attack…and it will do no good to try to convince you otherwise (you’ll still try that “obey dhunley views” junk)…but I’ll try nonetheless 🙂

    I don’t care if you “obey dhunley views”…I don’t care what you talk about, think about, eat, drink, where you live, or what opinions you may hold about ANYTHING. You’re free to do any of these in any manner you choose as far as I’m concerned.

    What I DO care about is having YOUR OPINIONS shoved down my throat—and then it being called “obey dhunley’s views” when I tell you…..uuuuuuh, I donwanna!

    And I DO care about having to submit my children to what YOU think is important for them to learn…and I DO care when my money is taken away and tossed down the political rat hole that is social security.

    Can you grasp that Paula? I’ll try one more time…I DON’T CARE, in fact, I’m happy that you have the freedom to feel, think, and eat how you wish. So why don’t you afford me the same courtesy?

    Instead of just waxing poetically about “freedoms” you wish to guarantee others—why don’t you back it up. Allow people the choice of which school to send their children…you don’t even have to support vouchers if you don’t want to. And allow people the choice of opting out of social security if they want to. And allow people in San Francisco (for example) to live where they want to and do with their property whatever they wish.

    Until you agree to do these types of things…your freedom talk is just that….TALK.

    And if you’re going to accuse me of trying to force you to do anything…shouldn’t you support it? I mean…something like…cutting and pasting on here something that I’ve said that would force you to do something?

    Instead, I suspect you’ll follow the usual modern liberal template; you know…make a few unsupported statements…slip in a few more innuendoes equally unsupported…dismiss any who disagree with you as “fools”…then slink back to that protected place where your views, opinions, and ideas won’t be challenged.

  • http://rowanreview.com dhunley

    taunt poor Dave again and again”? No…I don’t think so.

    What kind of person thinks that a response to a post is “taunting”? Let’s see if I can word this right. Dave’s original post reminds me of someone trying to start a fire—then complaining about all the “hot water” someone’s in. They start a fire then go running around shouting about the fire…lol. It’s hilarious.

    If you notice, all that “hot water” was coming from people who were desperate to find “hot water”. There was nothing to any of it—and they know it. Dave essentially admits this but then dismisses it because…well…best I can figure, it was not a democrat doing it.

    Anyway. I tell ya…people like Paula amaze me. Someone who can come at you with all kinds of nonsense—then tries to blame YOU when you point it out.

    Look…I don’t care one whit if Paula (and people who think like her) goes off somewhere and starts a commune and sing kum-ba-yah all they want. Just leave me out of it. But will they do this? Ohoooooooo Noooooooooooo

    They want the sweat of the brow of the working people to support their little campfire get togethers. And they try to make us out to be bad guys when we say “It WON’T WORK!” Jimney Crickets…how many times must we go down that socialist/Marxist/communist road to learn that IT WON’T WORK!!!???

    But again…they can try it all they want to—as long as they give me the choice to opt out. But they won’t…nope…they’ll keep on and on and on and on; it’s simply their nature.

    Good thing…lol…it’s in my nature to insist on freedom on and on and on. I hope there will always be enough people who believe in freedom so that we can always have it.

    Aaaaannnnnway (again :)…I just stopped by to see if Paula had presented ANY of that “logic and evidence” she claimed was EVERYWHERE.

    Why am I not surprised it isn’t here…lol

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    dhunley, i have no idea what you were trying to say there in the first paragraph.

    how was i starting a fire and then complaining about the hot water? you may have to clear this one up a bit.

    From everything i know about the case against Conley, it seems that there was most certainly some wrong-doing that went on…that there WAS something to it, and it should not have simply been dismissed as “business as usual”, or “well, the democrats used to do it, too!”, as was the initial response.

    i absolutely did NOT admit that there was nothing to any of it and then dismiss it…i said that there was probably a good chance it would not have gone to trial again, but that is because i think it would have just dragged out forever just trying to get it in front of a grand jury again…not because another grand jury wouldn’t have felt there was enough evidence to move to trial.

    so let’s be clear about that, first of all.

    and if we’re going to talk about people running around and starting a fire, let us not forget the blazing inferno…the fire to shame all other fires…that was built by the republicans in the 90’s as they tried to bring Clinton down. these people (republicans) lost their freaking MINDS because the man got naughty in the white house and then lied about it, going so far as to impeach him over it.

    now, we have a man running the country who has lied in order to take us to war, lied in order to keep us there, lied in order to try and justify attacking yet ANOTHER country, has authorized warrant-less wiretapping and imprisonment without reason or trial, and is known to have said at one point that his job would be a lot easier if he was a dictator…and still he makes you warm and fuzzy on the inside??

    the only thing that pisses me off more is that the democrats can’t seem to grow a pair amongst them and move to impeach him.

    the democratic party has lost their way, too, but it is a lesser of two evils situation for me. i still feel like they can get it back on track, but they need to get moving on it.

    as for your view of all democrats as a bunch of campfire hippies sitting around plotting out ways to force you to take LSD and sing Bob Dylan songs, it just makes me laugh.

    it isn’t 1968 anymore, man…and we aren’t at the Democratic National Convention in Chicago fighting with Mayor Dailey’s thugs…even though i think that’s probably the one single event that can be pinpointed as the moment that most of middle America lost touch with the Democratic party, and the Democrats have done painfully little since that time to win back their trust.

    as to Paula, i’m sure she’ll be around again sometime. i happen to know that she’s had a lot of changes going on in her life over the past year or so, and she doesn’t really have time to come in here and go around and round with you, dhunley.

    as for you taunting me, well…it certainly does feel that way at times to me, and to several others who i’ve talked to who frequent the site…that you simply argue for the sake of arguing…beating a topic to death and smothering any life out of it that it had left…

    but while i do at times find it to be frustrating, i know that part of my frustration usually comes from the fact that i can’t always find the time to keep going back and forth with you. however, it does seem at times as if you are simply trying to bait me and get me going (which usually works!)…but i don’t mind.

    you certainly have strong views, and you do present them in a very spirited way. what most people don’t know, and probably would have a hard time believing, is that as much as we disagree, we actually know each other quite well and are on very friendly speaking terms. lol

    so, if you want to to keep on beating a dead horse, i’ll probably keep on being lured back by the sound of it, just to make sure you don’t start doing your “victory dance” prematurely. 🙂

    for now, i’m going to go hug a tree, force someone to drive a hydrogen car, and eat my lentils while i dance around the maypole naked. 🙂 …when you finish up destroying our environment, killing small businesses, clubbing a baby seal, and sending all of my phone conversations to the NSA, we’ll come back and discuss more stuff. 😉

    until then, to all of you (yes, republicans too)…have a very Happy New Year!!

  • http://rowanreview.com dhunley

    Well…well…another nag brought out to be beat.

    Yes indeed…I do (and will always) consider you a friend. I think you’re being honest in how you see things…and I hope you know I am too. So I guess I’ll just have to live with that accusation that I argue just to argue—it SURE couldn’t be that I argue the same thing because you keep SAYING the same things…lol. And this “Bush lied” thing is a perfect example…as is the wiretapping…and evolution by the way…lol.

    Aw come on Dave. Bush looked at thousands and thousands of bits of conflicting intelligence…came to the same conclusion that dozens of others had—including Albright, former weapons inspectors and even Bill Clinton himself—and acted on that intelligence. You didn’t like the course of action he took. Fine…that’s your privilege. But to call him a “liar” because of it is inaccurate and unfair.

    And I don’t suppose it’s no big deal that Clinton acted like a school kid with an impressionable young lady that could have been his daughter while entrusted with the highest office of the land …naaaaw, no big deal at all. I’m sure his character was “sterling” in all other areas, wasn’t it?

    Oooooh…there was that part about lying to you right to your face. Yeah…and there was also that part about lying under oath. And also that small, itty-bitty thing about breaking those old marriage vows, eh? No big deal in any case, is it?

    I’m sure you and your wife gave each other a wink and a nod when you took those vows—so they’re certainly no big deal. But HEY! He’s a so-called democrat so it doesn’t “smell” so bad does it?

    And no…the democrats aren’t trying to force us to do anything. Well…not REAL democrats, anyway. But those so-called democrats are trying their level best to tell us where to live, what to eat, and what to drive.

    And whaddaya mean they haven’t accomplished much? Why…I understand Nancy Pelosi recently got the cafeteria in Congress to serve only organically grown food. A lady’s gotta have her priorities…bwahahahahahaha!

    And what ya worried about the environment for? I mean…you DO believe in evolution don’t you? With all that compelling and overwhelming evidence—surely you’re not gonna try to deny evolution. And evolution tells us that over 90 percent of all the species that ever existed went extinct. So what’s the big deal?

    I mean…if we wind up with a world of concrete and cockroaches, so what? That was the course that evolution took. So be it.

    Unless…unless…nawwwww…couldn’t be? You’re not gonna try to force upon us some sense of right and wrong as Dave sees it are you? I mean just because you might like the pretty little animals and green grass and trees…you’d NEVER presume to force your personal preferences onto the rest of us….would you?

    But yeah, go hug a tree…lol; they’re sure much more plentiful than when I was a kid I tell ya? Why…you have more hugging partners now than you’d have had in the 1920’s. Also…while you’re at it…pet a few deer (that wasn’t around when I was a kid)…and talk some turkey with some turkeys’—also not around when I was a kid.

    I’ll explain the “fire” stuff a little later. In the mean time, I’m eagerly awaiting Paula’s take on things. Reckon she’ll tell us how bad the hurricanes were this year? Uh, No…that was in 2005 I think. Reckon she’ll tell us about how the ice sheet is melting? Probably not…being the reasonable person that she is, she’ll probably have figured out that ships used to go through that region in the 1920’s and earlier, NOPE…no ice to block’em. How about that?

    Maybe it’ll be the Monarch butterfly? Can’t be…since they’ve made a spectacular comeback. Maybe it’ll be that the Thymes River has frozen over? Naaawwww…been there and done that.

    And when she gets here…maybe she’ll tell us why the models currently used to predict the climate failed to accurately predict past climate.

    Anyway…I’m sure we can assume that some who believes 8 out of 10 people should exist or be allowed to procreate will have our best interest at heart, eh?

    http://www.newswise.com/articles/view/536161/

    http://earthobservatory.nasa.gov/Study/Paleoclimatology_Understanding/

    And about Bush lying…here

    http://www.renewamerica.us/columns/mostert/040816

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    dhunley, this just keeps going on and on, and frankly, we are making no progress.

    the comments we are leaving at this point are too long, and quite tedious to read (not just yours…mine as well). i want to generate discussion and debate, but i fear both of us are being a bit long-winded here and i think the readers are largely tuning it out.

    the horse is dead and has been beaten repeatedly when it comes to evolution…what i say is evidence, you don’t consider evidence enough to suit you. that is fine, although i could ask you the same about what evidence you have that there is a God? at some point, you just have to look at everything you have and make a decision. i have done that. you have decided differently. let’s leave it at that, can we?

    the earth is warming. FACT. no discussion. are we causing it? it seems that at the very least we are exaggerating the effects of it. should you be forced to drive a “green” car? no. but should we do a helluva lot better job of taking care of this planet? absolutely. how we go about doing that can be debated, but the fact that we SHOULD be doing it, i don’t think, can be.

    and yes…Bush lied. he has lied. he continues to lie. you can give me all the quotes from as many people you can dig up about WMD and Iraq and who said what…the fact is, Bush is the president who attacked Iraq. Period. Bush is the President who said Iran’s nuclear program had to be shut down, at all cost. OOPS..turns out they don’t HAVE a nuclear program. he lies, man. face it. they ALL lie. they always HAVE lied…they always WILL lie. one of the good things about Bill Clinton was that at least you KNEW he was full of crap. lol…and maybe that made him seem more honest.

    so, i’m finished with this thread, which has gotten WAY, WAY off topic. i’m not doing any “victory dances”…simply saying that i agree to disagree so that we may move on to some other issues, hopefully in a manner that the readers can enjoy, as well.