Religion and Politics…a good mix? And some other thoughts.

i originally started off this rant as a response to a comment left by another poster, but then it slowly evolved (oops…evolved OR intelligently designed…gotta be fair and balanced!) into a much longer rant about the state of politics.

when it comes to politics and choosing a president for these United States, i’m sort of curious about why religion should enter into the discussion at all, actually.

wasn’t escaping religious persecution one of the reasons we came to this country in the first place and fought so hard to keep it free?

listen, i’m all for religion.  as i’ve said before, i most certainly believe in a higher power, whatever name you choose to assign to that power…God, Budha, Mohammed…whatever your choice…and i fully support our rights to worship as we all see fit.

what i want to understand is how did it happen that a candidate’s religious views are now considered when they run for a political office?  listen, i’m not saying that i’d vote for someone who was running around with a pentagram tattooed on their forehead, quoting verses from the satanic bible or anything, but it just seems to me that this is a decision that needs to be made with as little influence from religion as possible, especially since we can’t all even seem to agree on THAT.  how many different churches are thre in this country? how many different ideologies and belief systems?  so as complex an issue as religion is, does it seem like a good idea to mix it in with the excessively complex political process?

i mean, at this point, because the candidates know how important religion and religious views are to the voters, they’ll say and do almost anything to make everyone believe that they are the most God-fearing, Bible-toting, scripture-quoting candidate out there…how much of that do you really think is sincere?  most of these people will say or do whatever it takes to get your vote, and that includes trying to come across in a very Christian-like manner, even though i think that is probably the most un-Christian-like thing someone can do.

do any of you actually think GW is a good Christian??  i can point you to a few select videos of the man that don’t exactly present him in a very favorable Christian light.

maybe i’m actually giving us all too much credit here.  since when do we actually LISTEN to and PROCESS what these candidates are actually talking about?  they come out, spout off a bunch of talking points to make us all feel warm and fuzzy, and then the media decides who the candidates will be, forces them down everyone’s throat, causes the process of “choosing” a candidate to become tainted, and we usually end up standing in line in November to vote for the lesser of 2 idiots.

people who have a real message and real experience and vision are largely ignored in favor of the more “polished” candidates…it is sad how those 2 qualities hardly ever seem to come together to form the “perfect candidate”…charismatic AND qualified.  wouldn’t THAT be something?

i mean, truth be told, candidates like Dennis Kucinich and Ron Paul are probably 2 guys who would really make a difference in this country and do some good things, but they are being ignored and buried under a pile of Obama, Clinton, and McCain and Huckabee (honestly…can you imagine a President Huckabee??) 🙂  for that matter, what about John Edwards?  the man came in SECOND in Iowa, but the media largely ignored that in favor of basically handing the whole election to Obama, even going so far as to speculate that Clinton was considering dropping OUT of the race.

the truth is, most of these candidates lost touch with reality and us “normal foke” long, long ago…sadly, the days of real candidates and real change have probably passed us by…no more Kennedys (J or R), or FDR, or for that matter, Reagan or Clinton…the OC – Original Clinton…not this one.

i am so disillusioned about politics at this point that i wonder why i even bother to worry anymore…you need look no farther than how the candidates are chosen to see how flawed the system is.  basically, our presidential candidates are decided FOR us here in Kentucky, before we ever get a chance to be heard.  if they want to hold primaries, shouldn’t they all be held nationally AT THE SAME TIME??   seriously doubt that the average person in New Hampshire has the same issues and problems as the average person living in Kentucky, so why should they have so much influence in choosing who we’ll end up voting for on down the road?

so, i say vote for who you really like in the primaries.  don’t let the media sway you into voting for someone simply because they think that person will eventually end up being the party’s nominee.  the primaries aren’t about Democrat vs. Republican…they are about selecting someone to represent your party.  you aren’t costing your party anything by not voting for the “favorite”…you are actually speaking YOUR mind.  of course, when it all shakes out, we can all line up and pull the lever for “our” candidate in November.

but until then, shouldn’t you vote for the person that YOU want?  and shouldn’t that vote be based on the real issues, not what church someone attends…or whether or not they believe in evolution…or some other religious issue which will, more likely than not, have NO effect on how they run the country?

  • http://rowanreview.com dhunley

    You really don’t know the answer to this, Dave? I suspect you do…instinctively.

    Ask yourself this:

    Why did you say?

    “i’m not saying that i’d vote for someone who was running around with a pentagram tattooed on their forehead, quoting verses from the satanic bible or anything”

    if, as you say

    “but it just seems to me that this is a decision that needs to be made with as little influence from religion as possible, especially since we can’t all even seem to agree on THAT.”

    Dave, I only chime in when I have a differing view on things…why respond when I’m only a head-bobber, eh? I about drove my family crazy playing 1-2-3-4 by the way…lol

    Anyway, back to the deep philosophical discussion.

    Why would you hesitate to vote for someone who quoted verses from the satanic bible? Especially if they told you it would NOT influence the decisions they made while in office?

    Wouldn’t you believe them? Or would you suspect that their beliefs might influence their actions just a weeeeeeeeeee bit?

    Why…I’d be willing to bet that you believe their religious beliefs might be THE MOST IMPORTANT THING guiding their thoughts, words, and actions; I sure know that my “religion” is the most important influence in my life.

    In reality, Dave, what else would there be? I mean…what else could there be? Is the constitution “protecting” life? Liberty? Bwahahahahahahahaha. The constitution has now been so chewed up…twisted…ignored…that none of us can even pretend we’re following it.

    I know I haven’t yet been able to explain this properly (don’t worry, I won’t give up…you’re worth the effort 🙂 but you cannot have any kind of belief, principal, guiding light—or whatever else you want to call it—without there being something bigger than you. Yet, the very MI NUTE you start calling upon that “something bigger” than you, you’re bringing your religion into play…and thus subjecting yourself to the charge of religious intolerance.

    Do you think this isn’t so? Then try explaining to a pentagram tattooed person why you might not vote for them.

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    actually, dhunley….i think i can sum this one up pretty easily. (oh…and tell your family “you’re welcome” for the 1-2-3-4 😀 )

    what i was trying to say about the candidate talking about the satanic bible would apply 100% the same to a candidate who was thumping a King James Bible and quoting verses from that.

    i guess to put it simply…i wouldn’t vote for Pat Robertson, and i would abstain from it with an equal amount of conviction, as say voting for Aliester Crowley…i’m opposed to extremist views, whoever they come from.

    the satanic bible candidate i mentioned was more about comic relief than anything, but there was some reasoning behind it…just so happens that same reasoning would apply to a candidate i felt was to religious.

    as i mentioned, i don’t think religion is a bad thing…i i just worry about how strong a factor it has become in recent elections.

  • http://www.rowanreview.com/author/nighthawk/ nighthawk

    You know guys, I sort of agree with both of you.
    I don’t how to explain it, and I can’t put it into words right now, if ever;

    As I sit here and try to type my reasoning into words, they escape me, as if there are no words to explain my reasoning, but my logic does exist.

    I admit I don’t know anything about a 1-2-3-4, and don’t need to, so I’m not asking.

    Just wanted you two to know that I kind of see where your both coming from, and that as absurd as it may seem, that I sort of agree with you both.

    I have to go and take care of the big scary lizard that my wife is going on about now. Man! You’d think it were an alligator to hear her talk 🙂

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    nighthawk…i think i see what you are saying, even though you didn’t quite say it. 🙂

    as for the 1-2-3-4, i believe what dhunley is referring to is the Video of the Day that ran here for a while (they always seem to go for more than a day…lol…sorry)

    you can see it here…
    http://morganminute.com/?p=116

  • http://rowanreview.com dhunley

    I guess it depends on who gets to define “extremism”, eh?

    Either of you guys catch whiff of the stink people raised about Will Smith’s comment about Hitler? It pretty well illustrates the point I’m trying to make—and it raised my already high estimate of Will Smith.

    I understand perfectly what the man was trying to say…and I understand perfectly his frustration at those who couldn’t (or wouldn’t) understand his point.

    In case you hadn’t heard…here’s a link to it good as any, I reckon.

    http://www.cnn.com/2007/SHOWBIZ/Movies/12/25/people.willsmith.ap/

    Will Smith said basically the same thing I’ve been saying to Dave for lo these many days; that the idea of a right/wrong or extremism/non-extremism is a matter of opinion—-UNLESS we try to subscribe to some kind of outside force (be it called buddha, or shiva or some god-of-the-berry-bush); and the SECOND you do that, you’re subject to accusations of religious intolerance.

    I have tried extremely hard NOT to impose my own beliefs onto others…yet STILL, because I resist such things as:

    – having my children forced participate in the scam that is social security—a financial scheme that would have a private citizen arrested if they tried it.

    – having my children forced to attend a school chosen by some faceless bureaucrat—and into a system that has over a 40% failure rate.

    -and having those same children denied the opportunity to openly scrutinize the idea of evolution—a “theory” without any tangible scientific proof or framework.

    -and worst of all…being forced to subsidize abortion on demand from organizations like “Planned Parenthood”.

    Because of these things, I am accused of “intolerance” by muddled-minded ideologically driven thinkers like Paula and Bob Sloan—just for resisting being FORCED to do all these things, mind you.

    And it doesn’t stop there. Can anyone just guess where this “national health care” scheme will lead? Considering one of the leading candidates (John Edwards) has already said he would have required annual physical check-ups? Yep…being told what to eat, what to drive, where to live, HOW to live and…eventually…NOT to live.

    Again…I must make clear these are all things that are FORCED on me. I can’t opt out of any of them. So who in their right mind could consider ME intolerant because I resist these things?

    Ah well, people like Paula, Bob Sloan, Hillary Clinton,—well heck, the WHOLE bunch of so-called democrats—will find a way to accuse me of just that…intolerance.

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    OK dhunley…let’s see here.

    YOUR party has had 8 years now to do something about all of your issues, and what have they done?

    hell, you had control of the white house AND the congress for what, SIX of those??

    so…you are complaining about…well…let’s just see what you are complaining about.

    – having my children forced participate in the scam that is social security—a financial scheme that would have a private citizen arrested if they tried it.

    – having my children forced to attend a school chosen by some faceless bureaucrat—and into a system that has over a 40% failure rate.

    -and having those same children denied the opportunity to openly scrutinize the idea of evolution—a “theory” without any tangible scientific proof or framework.

    -and worst of all…being forced to subsidize abortion on demand from organizations like “Planned Parenthood”.

    so…your republican friends had their chance to fix all of these things, but how many of them did they take care of for you? hmmm….i’m guessing ZERO, or you’d be all happy and dancing around right now.

    so what HAVE they been up to?

    let’s see…

    • -waging a war against a country that NEVER attacked us…and doing so under the false pretenses that they had weapons of mass destruction
    • -continued to fatten the pockets of big oil (see above…)
    • -made an absolute mess of the Hurricane Katrina situation
    • -instituted the Patriot Act, which is one of the biggest threats against civil liberties to have ever been unleashed upon the general public
    • -strained our relationship with foreign countries by promoting a “lone wolf” attitude that might work for Rambo, but not for the leader of the “free” world
    • -added to the army of the Working Poor at an alarming rate
    • -and basically proved that you don’t really have to be smart to be the President of the United States…just a “likable guy”

    yessir…i’d say these past 8 years have really been banner years for the Republicans.

  • http://rowanreview.com Dhunley

    Well, well, I guess we’ve had a few success after all…LOL. I’d forgotten them…thanks for reminding me.

    Let’s see now…I guess the most important accomplishment we achieved was confronting the islamic terrorists thugs with REAL, ARMED men, instead of the unarmed men, women and children they were used to. Of course, the so-called democrats and modern liberals TRIED to tie our soldiers hands behind their backs every step of the way (the way those islamic terrorists thugs did their helpless victims before they sawed their neck in two)—but thank God they couldn’t pull that off.

    And what were the results? The islamic terrorists thugs had THEIR BUTTS KICKED. I think it’s safe to say now—since there isn’t a peep about the Iraq war in the modern liberal media—that we’ve won the war…freed millions and millions of people from a murderous, oppressive regime and provided them with an opportunity for real freedom.

    Of course…lol…people on your side of the isle might call that a failure. What am I talking about “MIGHT” call it a failure?…lol. From all the evidence I’ve seen, people on your side of the isle mourn the loss of another despotic tyrant in the world.

    Anyway…he’s gone, millions of people freed…and we’ve shown the world we will defend freedom—alone if we have to.

    We’ve provided an economic boom run lasting well over six years…forced the modern liberals to streeeeeeeeeeettttcccccchhhh the definition of “poor” people to include people with incomes over $50,000.00. (i.e. SCHIP).

    We lowered the taxes for EVERYONE…yeah, EVERYONE…even for the people who don’t pay income taxes.

    We appointed two Supreme Court Justices who actually understand the OUR constitution and don’t have to go looking to France about how to govern OUR country.

    We thwarted the attempt of a liar like John Kerry to turn the matter of our national defense over to the thugs, tyrants, dictators, and thieves that make up the U.N.

    A GLOBAL TEST?!?! Bwahahahahahaha…I can just see kim-jung-something now…licking his pencil…grading our “test”. It’d go something like this:

    QUESTION? Should America defend herself?

    Kim-jung-something answers: NEVER NEVER NEVER…(and for extra points, please, please, please re-elect a Clinton so we can get more money to try to get our atomic bomb working right this time?)

    But we DID have a few failures, didn’t we.

    We failed to find any evidence of “lying” from the White House. Although we did find out who “outed” the non-covert Plame. MAN…that’d required some spin, didn’t it? But, hey…we tried?

    We didn’t find any support for evolution despite it being the ONLY idea our school kids are allowed to consider.

    We didn’t have a banner year for hurricanes that would allow us to scream global warming.

    We didn’t identify one single lost “liberty” that we wailed about concerning the Patriot Act.

    We didn’t…OH WAIT…THOSE WERE FAILURES FROM YOUR SIDE OF THE ISLE…lol.

    I might as well add “Failed to bring about our defeat in Iraq!” since this was also the failure of your side of the isle. Now…do you think we can “fail” to stomach Hillary’s latest little spin? That the war was won BECAUSE of democratic opposition? (You gotta hand it to her, though…it takes real guts to try that one. Actually, I think it takes a real conviction that American’s are stupid enough to believe that…maybe the modern liberals will try, though.

    But let’s see now…your side did accomplish a few things, didn’t they? They managed to get a school board to given 11 year old girls birth control pills without prior parental consent. They managed to get a couple of books banned…Darwin’s Black Box…and anything that questioned Darwin’s theory.

    Oh…and yeah…I understand the cafeteria in Congress now serves only organically grown food. Bwahahahahahahaha.

    Saaaaayyyy…I do feel like dancing after all.

    (if we can’t have fun doing this…why do it, eh?)

    Listen Dave, this election MAY not be won by people using logic, facts, or figures…but I sure hope so because, if we do, we’ll beat back this latest assault on freedom that the modern liberal presents.

  • admin

    wow, dhunley…

    i won’t get into your whole post…trying to keep it short and sweet…

    but i just have to ask, do you actually think we’ve WON the war in IRAQ?

    granted, we have made a lot of progress, but i don’t think you’ll find many people who’d be ready to declare victory just yet…it’s not exactly Main Street, USA over there right now

    maybe you could have done your dance with Bush on the deck of the USS Abraham Lincoln.

    seems like he started dancing a little bit too early, as well.

    and just so everyone understands…that doesn’t make me happy…i didn’t think we had any business getting into this “war”, but that doesn’t mean that i get a warm fuzzy about how FUBAR the whole situation has become…on the contrary…it is pretty scary.

    and maybe i’m not E.F. Hutton, but i don’t exactly understand how all these years of prosperity that you are talking about have lead us to the recession that we are now quickly approaching.

    maybe you think Bush’s bribes…er, tax payments…to everybody will make it all go away…

    then you guys can dust off that “mission accomplished” banner again…

    it’d be a shame to only get 1 use out of it. how fiscally responsible would THAT be?? 😉

  • http://rowanreview.com Dhunley

    Bribing us?? With our own money?? Man…if the Mafia ever figures out that trick…why…they can go legitimate anytime they want, eh?

    I can see it now. Dave’s been happily giving Tony Soprano 30 percent of his income for years…then Tony pulls up into Dave’s driveway and says “Here…take a couple of bucks…buy yourself a pizza or sump’em!” Do ya think even Stumbo would consider that bribery? Not unless Tony was a republican…Bwhahahahahahaha

    But to keep it short and sweet. Yes, I do believe we’ve won the war for Iraq. Although I believe those so-called democrats in Washington can still lose it—but then how’s Hillary going to claim responsibility for the victory if they do that? Have you heard her say that? That the reason progress is being made is because SHE might be elected? MAN…if we fall for that, we deserve the misery we’ll get if any of the so-democrats get elected.

    But is the war against terrorism over yet? Well…do you hear of any “moderate” muslims hunting down terrorists? Do you hear of any “moderate” muslims closing those madeiras promising those 72 virgins to murderers? Nope…

    So no, the war against terrorism isn’t over yet. There’s still plenty of opportunities for the so-called democrats to exalt some brutal thug. After all, Castro and Che and Hugo are stars who may be past their prime, eh?

    And I guess I can understand how people who can’t understand the natural cycles of climate…might also fail to understand the natural cycles of economics.

    But Dave, let’s see if we can agree on something—and I think we have the perfect opportunity to do so. Here’s the case.

    A large, greedy (I’ll even call’em greedy because yes, capitalism can bring about greed) capitalistic entity rigs up what they think will be a VERY SWEET DEAL for themselves. They use the old trick of bait and switch to lure people into buying something they can’t afford. And when it comes time for these people to pay up to this greedy capitalistic entity….they can’t, so the greedy capitalistic entity starts losing money. Do you think our government should bail them out?

    I say NO WAY! Let the little tricksters dangle…let capitalism run it’s course and the greedy will be justly punished.

    What say you? Do you agree?

  • admin

    first off…i take some offense at your suggestion that i can’t “understand the natural cycles of climate”…i may be a web designer by trade, but by education, i am a scientist…a scientist who studies the earth and its processes…

    i did not learn about the earth from what i read in a newspaper, magazine, or journals…i did not learn about the earth from what i see on television. i learned about the earth from OTHER people who study the earth…and those people learned from others, and on down the line.

    so don’t suggest to me that i do not understand cycles in climate just because you can’t seem to sway me over to your belief that the warming we are experiencing right now is the result of one of those cycles.

    where’s YOUR evidence of that? i mean, sure, you can throw out all kinds of evidence to support that there are, in fact, cycles, but what have you got for me to suggest that’s the reason for the warming taking place now?

    i also take some offense at your suggestion that i don’t understand economic cycles. granted, i’m no economist, but last time i heard, neither were you. cycles are one thing…things go up, and things go down…and i know that a recession is (or can be) a part of the broader economic cycle (gasp!! are you surprised?? i understand the earth AND the economy??? uh oh dhunley…looks like there ARE educated liberals out there!!)

    i also understand that THIS situation is being brought about by poor decision making on the part of this president. under this president, oil prices have skyrocketed, which hurts all of us in our pockets. so, when folks start calling for some alternative fuel solutions, what does he decide on? ethanol…there we go…that ought to shut ’em up.

    unfortunately, that is a TERRIBLE decision (for many reasons)…because that puts a strain on the corn supply, which causes prices to skyrocket, which now means that not only are you paying more for your gas to get TO the store, you are paying more for your ALL of your groceries when you get there (since the cost of delivering them has gone up), and especially more for those that are directly related to the price of corn…milk, beef, cereal, etc.

    i understand cycles quite well, thank you very much.

    and yes, i STILL call it a bribe to give us “our own” money. do you think that it comes with no strings attached?? just like taking money from Tony Soprano, or the Godfather, it comes with its own price tag.

    “Some day, and that day may never come, I will call upon you to do a service for me. Until that day accept this justice as a gift on my daughter’s wedding day.”

    you’ll get your check, and they only hope you’ll head out and spend it to help pump things up, and sure, it might work (not as much as expanding unemployment benefits, but i won’t quibble)…but come tax time next year, we all may not be so happy. in 2001, when bush had to send out tax checks to bail out the economy, we all had to pay that back by having that amount subtracted from our next year’s refund, so it isn’t free money…not by any stretch.

    as for your scenario at the end of the post, it sounds like you are talking about the lenders, such as Countrywide and others in the sub-prime lending mess….and i don’t know if i think they should be bailed out. it is true that you reap what you sow…but if, by NOT bailing that greedy entity out, it will have a negative effect on those consumers who were taken advantage of, it changes the picture somewhat.

    i think you know my feelings about greedy, big business…often times, their greed can get the best of them..but, that doesn’t stop the republicans from sticking to their notion that by continuing to give the tax benefits to those folks, in the hopes that somehow THEY will “do the right thing” and see fit to pass those savings along to the consumer, instead of giving the benefits straight to the consumer, they will somehow make the economy stronger.

    isn’t the shortest distance between 2 points always a straight line? same thing applies here.

    dangit…why do you always end up making me write a damn journal’s worth of stuff?? lol

  • http://rowanreview.com Dhunley

    As Ronald Reagan would say “There you go again…” wanting me to “disprove” one of YOUR theories. What would your scientist friends say about that? Would they think that is the way “science” should be conducted?

    Do you want me to prove that the earth circles the sun while I’m at it?

    Dave, I’m gonna try to be funny…but I’d like to be sincere first.

    With your scientific credentials, you should be the FIRST to realize that climatic changes have always occurred and will continue to occur as long as time lasts. Alarm bells should be ringing in that scientific mind of yours. What’s going on now has NOTHING to do with science and EVERYTHING about placing us under the control of some governmental entity. That scientific mind of yours could rip Al Gore’s little mockumentary apart if you wanted to. PLEASE….PLEASE….WANT TO.

    I beseech you to NOT let whatever personal concerns or worries you have about mankind override your logical and scientific powers of observation—because if you do…and if enough of us do…whatever troubles we face because of changing weather will be NOTHING compared to the troubles we’ll face under the thumb of the kind of government that Hillary and others would bring upon us.

    Now then…back to our regular programming.

    My scientist friends (and my geological and geographical training) tell me that the reason the Ohio River is where it’s at now is because huge sheets of ice pushed it there. I’m told there were once ice sheets a mile thick in the Great Lakes region.

    http://ohiodnr.com/Portals/10/pdf/EL/el07.pdf

    I’m told the Sahara was once (within human memory, in fact) a green and pleasant savanna.

    http://shoguntotalwar.yuku.com/topic/30379

    That grapes grew in England and Germany:

    I’ve pointed out the Younger-Dryas event:

    http://hoopermuseum.earthsci.carleton.ca/climate/TITLE.HTM

    The Little Ice Age:
    http://www.agu.org/revgeophys/mayews01/node5.html

    http://www.grisda.org/origins/10051.htm

    The Medieval Warm Period

    http://www.windows.ucar.edu/tour/link=/earth/climate/medieval_warm_period.html

    What more do you want me to do? Ooooooooh….now you want me to

    “i mean, sure, you can throw out all kinds of evidence to support that there are, in fact, cycles, but what have you got for me to suggest that’s the reason for the warming taking place now?”

    Alllllllllllllllriiiiiiiiiiightyyyyyyy then. How about evidence the sun’s output fluctuates? http://www.space.com/scienceastronomy/sun_output_030320.html

    Or that the polar ice caps on Mars are shrinking?

    http://news.nationalgeographic.com/news/2007/02/070228-mars-warming.html

    You reckon mankind’s tiny little robots Spirit and Discover did that?

    And if you know about economic cycles, then WHERE’S THE BEEF?…as a sweet little lady asked once upon a time? Would it be THIS president’s decisions that gave us over 6 years of great economic growth? Would it be THIS president’s decisions that increased the average wealth.

    All this global-warming-multicultural-pluralism-over-population-fossil-fuels-affirmative-action NONSENSE is simply a ploy to ensnare us in government control.

    And you know what? I’m beginning to think that people KNOW this…that they KNOW it’s all junk….but they’re willing to give up their freedom in exchange for a little government check of some kind.

    And you know what else? That would all be fine with me (are you surprised) if it were all done voluntarily and by personal choice?

    You know…a kind of personal choice something along the lines of “LINE FOR SUCKERS BEGINS AT THE CREMATORIAM” or something.

    But it won’t be that way will it? Oooooooooh Noooooooo…it won’t be an option whether or not we’re free to join the little Kum-Ba-Ya circle down at the old commune.

    No sireee…You and me and Bobby McGee will be FORCED to join—for the good of the children, for the good of society, for the good of the planet…or whatever “for the good of…” they can think of.

    I ain’t buying it! And neither should anyone else who’s truly concerned about the welfare of mankind.

    Of course now, ya’all…I have the benefit of being fortified with the Grace of God…and with the knowledge that I should love all mankind like I love myself. Without that solid assurance…why, I might be left to my own wisdom…and I’d go flying off to the arctic to spread soot. OH WAIT…THAT WAS 20 YEARS AGO. NOW, I’m supposed to walk every where and live in a hobbit hole.

    Bwahahahahahahahahaha

    And I’ll be back with a reply to your “high gas”, your “proverty”, and your “bribery” stuff.

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    dhunley…your comment had been marked as spam, i think because of all the external links.

    i dug around in there and found it, and approved it, so here it is.

    if you read my statements, and i’m sure you did, lol, you’ll see that i’m not arguing whether or not there ARE global temperature cycles…i know that…i’m saying that there’s no real backing to show that the warming we are seeing right now is a part of one of those cycles.

    however, scientists, much more studied and learned than you or i, HAVE done the research, and THEY have concluded that WE are contributing to global warming, and we need to do something about it. that is all i need to know.

    why argue about it back and forth?

    not only does it make good sense for the environment, but it will make good sense(cents) for our pockets, as well. a green economy will benefit all of us.

    you assume that somehow that will be an oppressive state where you are forced to change your lifestyle…i am simply suggesting giving us all of the resources we need to make it easier to live that way, if we want to…and make it worthwhile for us to do so.

    tax incentives on eco-friendly cars…some sort of rewards system for recycling…whatever.

    i’m not trying to force you to do anything…i’m simply telling you that SCIENCE says the earth is warming, and we are contributing…not Hillary…not Al…i don’t take their information to be gospel, even though i do like that Gore presented the material in a way that made it more accessible for more people…

    now, you can argue that there are scientists out there who disagree about the cause of the current warming, but more often than not, those scientists and those reports are linked to big oil or the electric companies, or some other entity that cannot possibly have an unbiased opinion.

    as for economic cycles, the beef is right there.

    average wealth has increased? well, i guess it don’t matter WHERE you add it, when you average it out, there might be an OVERALL increase…

    but you do know that for lower and middle class wage earners, the real wages have not increased, right?

    as for living in a hobbit hole, i think that would be quite nice, thank you. 🙂

  • http://www.cyberhillbilly.blogspot.com Cyberhillbilly

    Dave C:

    You wrote: “do any of you actually think GW is a good Christian?? i can point you to a few select videos of the man that don’t exactly present him in a very favorable Christian light.”

    GWB, II absolutely had his finger on the pulse of the Evangelical Christian movement and has done very little if anything over the past eight years to make them doubt him.

  • http://www.cyberhillbilly.blogspot.com Cyberhillbilly

    BTW, what about the rise of the Neo-Dixiecrats? Let’s move on… Dubya is almost ready to head back to TX to build that Presidential library. Will it be the race baiting neo-dixiecrat Clintons who take his place, the too smooth by half Mitt Romney, or the battle hardened veteran John McCain? Or maybe the eloquent Kennedyesque Barrack Obama who Caroline Kennedy said in an op-ed reminded her of RFK.

    BTW again… there’s gotta be a good joke in the Kennedy endorsement. Something about Bill Clinton and his womanizing ways making him the true heir to the Kennedy family (remember JFKs ways and Chappaquidick.)

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    CH…
    i don’t want to suggest that GW doesn’t know his base…he most certainly does. he played to all of their fears. i mean, in terms of political strategy, it is hard to argue with the move to make gay marriage an issue in the last election, which brought tons more religious red-votes out to the polls.

    i’m not sure who will end up winning the election this year, but i what i do know is that due to the way this country holds its primary elections, the candidates will just be whoever the media decides.

    this is the most ignorant approach to choosing a leader for this country. by the time we get to vote in our primary here in kentucky, what will we really be voting for?

  • http://rowanreview.com David Hunley

    I’ll vote for Hillary before I vote for McCain; at least she’s open and more honest about her Marxists beliefs.

    And what’s this “too smooth by half” junk? Have we become so superficial and jaded that a man is considered “too smooth by half” for being a devoted family man? For being a successful business man? For caring enough about his appearance to be presentable? Exactly what do you mean about his being too smooth by half?

    What policies of his do you disagree with? His tax cuts? His position on illegal immigration? His stance on the war? Abortion? What?

    On the other hand, what positions of McCains’ do you AGREE with? His amnesty program for illegal immigrates? His attack on the first amendment with his McCain Feingold bill? His position on abortion?

    Oh yeah…I suppose I should do the usual he’s-a-hero-POW—blah blah thing…and I’ll give the devil his due in that regard…but he is in no way a friend of the conservative; if you think so, I’ll ask you why?

    Oh…and as for the argument offered most often—that he’s the only one who can be Hillary—I only have this to say; it doesn’t matter which side of the lie you’re on—you’re still on a lie.

    McCain and Hillary and Obama and Edwards (and I might as well add Huckabee) all have interchangeable parts—there isn’t a lick of difference between’em.

    So…rather than vote for someone claiming to be a “conservative” while doing almost every thing a “liberal” would do—AND in an even more underhanded way—I’ll just vote for Hillary and be done with it. I’d rather be betrayed by an obvious Marxists than by someone who is trying to wear sheep’s clothing.

    And believe me, if our only choices are Hillary and McCain, this country will be betrayed.

  • http://www.cyberhillbilly.blogspot.com Cyberhillbilly

    David H:

    With all due respect, saying John McCain is a Marxist is either meaningless spin or just completely wrong. John McCain spent years in a prison of war camp ran by Marxists. He suffered unbeliveably at their hands. Meanwhile, here in America, he’s the Chariman of the Senate Commerce Committee for cryin’ out loud. Words matter and we owe it to ourselves to get them right.

  • http://www.cyberhillbilly.blogspot.com Cyberhillbilly

    John McCain’s a liberal, global warming is a hoax, and there’s a secret plan to unite America and Mexico. It’s nice to see that the John Birch society lives on in Morehead. Wonder what the trilateral commision’s up to lately??? Maybe McCain’s their stealth manchurian candidate.

    Someone revoke DHunley’s library privileges; he’s been readin’ too much Aynn Rand.

  • http://rowanreview.com dhunley

    Come on CH…you’re better than this. Would it be fair if I said the reason you support McCain is his because of his trial lawyer’s…er, I mean…”Patient” Bill of Rights efforts with Senator Ted Kennedy? For whatever reason you’ve chosen to support McCain, his “conservatism” can’t be one of them.

    And as I always do, I’ll give you proof of what I’m saying.

    http://www.americanthinker.com/2008/01/mccains_acu_ratings.html

    http://www.humanevents.com/article.php?id=24785

    About global warming. RUN CH RUN…lol…sounds like you’re getting sucked up in that academic world. They put something in the water over there or what? Next thing you know, you’ll be praising Al Gore for making his hyperbolic nonsense “more accessible to the public”. At the risk of getting this post marked as spam, I’ll post a few more links just in case you care to be “scientific”.

    http://www.tysknews.com/Depts/Environment/debunking.htm

    http://www.eurekalert.org/pub_releases/2007-12/w-nsi121107.php

    And if you REALLY want to get crazy…try a google search with the words “benefits of global warming”. It’s a hoot!

    CH…I’ve never read Aynn Rand… but I HAVE read the constitution and your boy McCain falls faaaaarrrr short in that regard.

    And I couldn’t tell you a paragraph about the John Birch Society; I do, however, have a willingness to search for the truth and an unshakable belief in the benefits of freedom—and again, your boy McCain falls short.

  • http://rowanreview.com dhunley

    Well shucks…ANOTHER post marked as “spam”. I guess I offer too much support for my positions. Anyway…here’s the gist of my last post without the links. Perhaps Dave can once again come to the rescue.

    Come on CH…you’re better than this. Would it be fair if I said the reason you support McCain is his because of his trial lawyer’s…er, I mean…”Patient” Bill of Rights efforts with Senator Ted Kennedy? For whatever reason you’ve chosen to support McCain, his “conservatism” can’t be one of them.

    And as I always do, I’ll give you proof of what I’m saying.

    insert links supporting my position here 🙂

    About global warming. RUN CH RUN…lol…sounds like you’re getting sucked up in that academic world. They put something in the water over there or what? Next thing you know, you’ll be praising Al Gore for making his hyperbolic nonsense “more accessible to the public”. At the risk of getting this post marked as spam, I’ll post a few more links just in case you care to be “scientific”.

    again…insert links supporting my position here

    And if you REALLY want to get crazy…try a google search with the words “benefits of global warming”. It’s a hoot!

    CH…I’ve never read Aynn Rand… but I HAVE read the constitution and your boy McCain falls faaaaarrrr short in that regard.

    And I couldn’t tell you a paragraph about the John Birch Society; I do, however, have a willingness to search for the truth and an unshakable belief in the benefits of freedom—and again, your boy McCain falls short.

  • http://rowanreview.com dhunley

    The smell test? Yep, global warming fails that too. Here’s a couple of tidbits from one more link: (By the way…this smell test applies to the theory of evolution…take an unbiased look and see if you don’t agree). Anyway, here’s a couple of “smell tests”. For the rest…go to the link below.

    As a fifth smell test, look for the following kinds of ploys of redirection: a) “You are not qualified to question science,” b) “All scientists say X; therefore, anyone who questions X is not of science,” c) “You must be motivated by political loyalties, economic vested interests, or religious beliefs if you question X,” d) “You must be ignorant or lacking intellectual honesty if you question X,” e) You desire a personal insult that demonizes you and casts you in the role of a monster, an enemy, or a fool. This is how Hollywood answers her critics: cast them as a demon or a crank in the next movie. It is an old cartoonist’s technique that goes back to Michelangelo who is alleged to have painted the face of Pope Paul III on the devil in The Last Judgement.

    AND

    Let us add a fourth item to the smell test. When the conventional view is challenged, do the proponents refuse to answer the facts and logic of the challenge? One of the founding principles of empirical science is to attempt to falsify every hypothesis and accept only those hypotheses that cannot be refuted. The mark of good science is the willingness to discuss the intelligent criticisms of a hypothesis. The refusal to consider and discuss intelligent criticism based upon facts and logic is the mark of group-think junk science. The evasion of criticism is invariably accompanied by changing the subject.

    http://www.renewamerica.us/analyses/050317hutchison.htm